Monkeyin’ Around: A ‪12 Monkeys‬ Chat [S01E09]

 

Welcome back to Project Splinter’s Monkey‬ Chat!!!

This week, Jones attacked Spearhead for their Core in order to bring Cole home. Meanwhile, Cole found himself smack in the middle of the plague in 2017 and watched Cassie die again.

Our Monkey chat panelists, Jennifer, Sarah, Carol, Kimber and Hank discuss the events of “Tomorrow” below. Please share your thoughts with us in the comments at the bottom of this post. Enjoy guys!

Let’s start with Cassie’s death scene. Share your feelings about it, and what you think happened between Cole/Cassie in those two missing years.

Jennifer: I cried my eyes out!! I had a feeling it was going to happen because of how Cole found her bones in the beginning. In the two years that went missing I think they struggled to save humanity and failed.

Sarah: It’s so sad, Cole is trying everything he can to save her. First he knows Cassie will die and now he saw it happen. He held her in his arms… There was probably a little romance going on in the two missing years. It’s kind of hinted towards that scenario. We know he will see her again. But it makes me wonder, with everything that has happened, there hasn’t been a future version of Cole that has stopped the virus? It’s things like this that make my brain melt.

Carol: That scene broke my heart. I’m starting to think that what bonds Cole and Cassie might be larger than romantic love. Something happened in 2015-2017 and whatever it was it must have been big because it brought them together… I’m thinking that Cole has lost the only person in the world who really knows him and that devastated him. Those brief moments he has spent in the past were enough to build a friendship. He finally cares for someone! The hardest part for Cassie was that the man holding her in her last minutes was former Cole, not HER Cole. The romantic girl in me wants them to be lovers but… I have a feeling it’s more than that.
It was a tragic scene, OK? Tissues were needed!

Kimberly: When she died I felt like that could have been Cole’s ultimate drive to restore the past. He seemed to be only going at it with half a heart. Honestly I don’t think anything happened, he was in 2017 looking for her. While she had the next two years to think about his being lost. ( I feel like it was her Cole, remember he thought he was in 2015 with her.) Until they met in 2017 and she was already dying. I was wondering on the watch , how the scratch was erased when he splintered to 2043. Also the address she gives him

Hank: Yeah I totally teared up, I admit it. Both Amanda Schull and Aaron Stanford killed that scene, it was very moving. As far as the two missing years, she seems to have hinted Cole and Cassie had a loving relationship. I spoke to Amanda this week, and she told me the answers are coming in Season 2. That’s soooo far away 🙁

Did Jones’ actions shock you? What’s your verdict; ruthless killer or humanity’s last hope? In other words, does she kill only because 2043 will ultimately be erased?

Jennifer: When Jones killed Foster, I was SHOCKED! She acted as though he was not dead when she shot him *BANG BANG* If you know what I mean. At first I will be honest, I screamed what a BIACH! Then I thought on it for a bit. She believes 2043 will be erased, so therefore killing foster now won’t even matter.

Sarah: I was not surprised with what Jones did. I think she’s a bit of both. But I do believe that there is someone out there who she wants to save, claiming she is/was a mother. There have been speculations. Maybe Cassie is in fact her daughter. She believes she can actually succeed and change the past, so she does whatever she thinks is necessary to make that happen. It’s like she gave herself a carte blanche. And if she needs to kill, she kills, and if she needs to lie about a cure, she burns it. But I get it, it’s family

Carol: Yes, it was all very shocking. She’s a desperate mother playing God!! I was expecting extreme measures and a few deaths but since she’s a scientist and a civilian I was hoping she could find a way to get the core without the bloodbath. I was certainly NOT expecting her to take Foster’s life herself! She thinks those are not deaths, death is a means to a end and she’s so confident that she’s right about the possibility of saving mankind by getting rid of the virus in the past that she doesn’t really see them as real deaths. She doesn’t see killing scavengers with her time machine as murder either. She trusts her plan will work. Let’s hope she’s right, otherwise she has murdered scientists that could have saved people in 2043 if her plan fails.

Kimberly: I feel like she is doing what she feels is right. I don’t think that she’s Cassie’s mother given the age of Cassie in 2017 being around late 20’s to mid 30’s. Jones is in her mid 40’s to early 50’s in 2043. So the time would have been way off for Cassie to be her daughter. I feel like we will learn more about who her daughter is though. I speculated Jennifer, but I don’t think that’s logical either. I think her daughter is just someone that we will hear about.

Hank: I wasn’t surprised she and her troops attacked Spearhead for the Core, but the fact she killed Foster was a shock. I don’t see her as a ruthless killer, I think from her point of view 2043 needs to be wiped clean. She’s so focused on fixing the past, that everyone in her present is absolutely expendable. She’s always talking about a better future.

 

When Jones meets Cole (and Ramse) in 2041 for the first time, she tells him “I’ve been waiting for you.” How does she know he’s the right Cole?

Jennifer: Hmm I think there is more going on than Jones is letting on! She claims it’s so called destiny blah blah… I wonder what she is hiding underneath it all.

Sarah: Ok, how does she now he’s the right Cole. Did she splinter herself once upon a time? Did one of her previous subject go into the future? I honestly only have questions, not answers. Oh, I don’t think at that point in time, in that area, that there are still a million Coles out there. So… if faith brings you a Cole… it’s probably the right one.

Carol: I think that the recording is not the only sign. I think she has more than that but she won’t show it to Cole because it would somehow affect him and discourage him from cooperating. I think Cole being the right one is larger than Splinter and Jones. He’s some sort of chosen one. I’m thinking divine intervention, fate, the universe… I also have this sick sick idea that she might have been feeding her machine with other Coles, just in case. LOL!

Kimberly: Cassie could have included a photo of him in her findings. I feel like this will be elaborated on in the next episode. I can’t wait to hear the details of HOW she knew he was the right one. I agree with Natalie in saying it would be sick as heck if she was sitting there feeding the machine different Cole’s not knowing IF he was the one or not. I wouldn’t put it past her however given what we’ve seen of her drive.

Hank: I know the answer to this one, so I’ll just agree and say there’s definitely more to it than Jones is letting on.

Jennifer reappeared! What did you make of her speech about “The Daughters”? “We daughters shall make from twelve what man could not. Yes, an army.”

Jennifer: Why yes I did reappear HA HA. ( The Jennifer chronicles ) That speech, I will admit sounded like she was recruiting an “army”. To do what the 12 man could not- I assume she is referring to the 12 monkeys?

Sarah: Did you save the tough questions for this week? Her speech will soon make more sense I guess. Did you notice the tattoo on the girl’s neck. I saw it in episode 8 too, on a man’s hand. So she must be involved. I also noticed the monkey on the wall in the background. See how I just avoided the whole question?

Carol: Jennifer has been around for the past 2 years. She has seen things, done things. Oh, she knows stuff! She’s not just a crazy lady screaming outside a lab. No idea what The Daughters are, but it’d be interesting to see… what if Project Splinter begins with her?

Kimberly: I really think she was referring to just her fathers work and what he had done. She knows things that others don’t, and she no way to expose it, because she’s been so controlled to be locked in her own mind. I wish we could learn more about that though, why she would be making a speech like that.

Hank: This one’s not rocket science ladies LOL… Jennifer clearly stressed “Daughters,” in her wacky little speech. They’re that group Deacon mentioned way back in Episode 4 “Atari.” Remember when he drugged Cole with the funky dust? Everything will make sense once you watch Episode 10 “Divine Move.”

 

Cole and Ramse obviously have a difference of opinion and parted on bad terms. What do you think Ramse’s next move is?

Jennifer: I have no idea what Ramse’s going to do. I have to re-watch again and think on this one.

Sarah: Well, I’m thinking that Ramse will probably sabotage a thing or two. He wants to be with his son and get to know him. But I’m with Cole on this one. Humanity needs to be saved. At this point there is no future, due to Jones’ actions. But if everything is reset, if the virus is stopped, you just have to believe that faith will bring them back together and that they will have a son in a world where the virus never happened.

Carol: Uncertain. If I were Ramse I’d desperately try to fix time so Spearhead splendour is restored and her family return there with no memories of death and pain. Will he try to use the machine without Jones’ authorisation? Will he turn out to be the corpse back in Cassie’s time, the one scientists got the virus from? I hope I’m wrong but I think he’ll attempt to do something extreme for Elena and Sam.

Kimberly: Oh gosh, Ramse is going to probably sabotage Project Splinter. I feel like everything is a huge mess right now. I mean could Sam be a possibility even if the past is restored? I mean fate could have him and Elena end up together anyways and have Sam. Time travel is a bitch sometimes. (I bet Cole says that each time he splinters) because you never know the actual outcome. I do understand why Ramse would want to hold onto this timeline though, he has something there where as Cole had something in the past. I hate that the shows only bromance will be tore though. 🙁 I really loved them as besties for life.

Hank: It’s one helluva “Divine Move” that’s for sure! Hold on to your socks folks, this is a total frakkin’ game-changer.

That’s our Episode 9 discussion. Hit the comments! Check back with us next week for our Monkey Chat on Episode 10 “Divine Move.”